The Thoughtful Counselor

About The Thoughtful Counselor is a podcast that is dedicated to producing great conversations around current topics in counseling and psychotherapy. We view counseling and psychotherapy as a deeply beautiful and complex process, and strive to incorporate both the art and science of the field in each episode.
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Dec 28, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Susan Branco, a licensed professional counselor and researcher, about counseling transracial adoptees, race in adoption, and biculturation.

Check our Susan's website:

Here are a few articles of Susan's in Counseling Today:

In this episode I am joined by Kelsi Macklin, a good friend and transracial adoptee. You can hear more about her story here:

Or email her at

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Dec 21, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Everett Worthington – Commonwealth Professor at Virginia Commonwealth University, in the Department of Psychology – on the jump from physicist to psychologist, the striking effectiveness of forgiveness in the emotional healing of our clients, and the REACH model of forgiveness.

Ev’s Website

* The title for this episode is taken from a quote attributed to Mark Twain: “Forgiveness Is the Fragrance the Violet Sheds on the Heel That Has Crushed It”

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Dec 10, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Raissa Miller - assistant professor of counseling at Boise State University - on the flexible brain, how your client's (and your!) limbic system goes into overdrive, the complexity of implicit and explicit memory, and why all of this in integral to your work as a counselor.

Raissa's Faculty Page at BSU

The Healthy Brain Platter

Dan Siegel's Hand Model of the Brain

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Dec 7, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Steven C. Hayes - Nevada Foundation Professor at the Department of Psychology at the University of Nevada, Reno - on his own struggle with panic and anxiety, the history and development of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, and how psychological flexibility can enhance your practice and just maybe change the world.

Steve's Website

Steve's Blog at Psychology Today

Steve's Faculty Page at University of Nevada, Reno

The Association for Contextual Behavioral Science

Nov 30, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Dee Ray - professor of counseling and higher education at the University of North Texas and Director of the Child and Family Resource Clinic - on what play therapy is (and what it's not), the functions and messages of play, and the long history of history and effectiveness of play therapy.

Dee's Faculty Page at University of North Texas

A Therapist's Guide to Child Development: The Extraordinarily Normal Years

Center for Play Therapy @ UNT

The Association for Play Therapy

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Nov 23, 2016

A conversation Dr. Samuel Gladding - professor and chair of the Department of Counseling at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina and former president of the American Counseling Association - on defining creativity, creative mediums counselors can employ in their work, and the SCAMPER model of becoming more creative. Oh, and a poetry reading.

Sam's website at Wake Forest University

Sam's book: The Creative Arts in Counseling (5th edition) at Amazon

Rainer Maria Rilke's I Love the Dark Hours of My Beijing...

Maya Angelou's Human Family

Nov 17, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Donna Sheperis - remote core faculty at Palo Alto University, former co-chair of the ACA Ethics Committee, and author of numerous articles and a textbook on counseling ethics - on how counselors can navigate counseling after a turbulent and divisive election. We talk about post-election stress, managing values conflicts with our clients, helping clients prepare for the holidays, and the counseling profession's role as advocates for minorities and the marginalized.

Email Donna at:

Donna's faculty page at PAU

Donna's Book: Ethical Decision Making for the 21st Century Counselor

Nov 9, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Janeé R. Avent - assistant professor in the counselor education program at East Carolina University - on African American mental health, the need for counselors to understand African American spirituality and the influence of the Black church, and general best practices for counseling and advocacy with our African American clients.

An article in The Professional Counselor by Janeé called The Black Church: Theology and Implications for Counseling African Americans

Janeé's staff page at ECU

Email Janeé at

Oct 28, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Megan Speciale - assistant professor in the counseling program at Palo Alto University - on defining sexuality, how to bring talk about sex into the counseling room, understanding sexual wellness, and being culturally sensitive with clients from diverse backgrounds.

Megan's email is

Megan's profile at PAU

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Oct 21, 2016

A conversation with Warwick Pudney - professor of counseling and psychotherapy at Auckland University of Technology in Auckland, New Zealand with a specialization in violence and trauma - about systemic influences on how we experience and express anger, working with anger in children, adolescents, as well as men, and our expression of anger as an indicator of helplessness.

Warwick is the co-author (with Elaine Whitehouse) of A Volcano in My Tummy: Helping Children to Handle Anger

Warwick's profile at AUT




Oct 19, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Allison Kramer - assistant professor at Johnson & Wales University - on navigating multiple/dual relationships, attending your client's wedding (among other things), and the risks of post-therapy friendships with your clients. 

Allison's bio at Johnson & Wales University

Allison's article in CT Today - "Why Can't We Be Friends?"

Sep 30, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Barry Duncan - co-editor of The Heart and Soul of Change: Delivering What Works in Therapy and On Becoming a Better Therapist: Evidence-Based Practice One Client at a Time - about the good, the bad, and the ugly in counseling and psychotherapy, the origin of the common factors, and how to become a more effective therapist through client feedback.

The "Three Sisters" Barry mentioned can be found at:

The Heart and Soul of Change Project

Additional Resources

Barry's Amazon Author Page

Sep 30, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Laura Hensley Choate - professor counselor education at Louisiana State University and author of several books including Girls and Women’s Wellness: Contemporary Counseling Issues and Interventions and Swimming Upstream: Parenting Girls for Resilience in a Toxic Culture - on the toxic culture that encapsulates girls and young women and how counselors can help them build resilience.

You can connect with Laura via:


Twitter @drlaurachoate

Girls, Women, and Wellness (Laura's blog @ Psychology Today)

Laura Profile at LSU

Laura’s Amazon Author Page

Sep 28, 2016

A conversation with Dr. George Hu - a clinical psychologist and Director of Psychology and Mental Health at Jiahui International Clinic in Shanghai - about the stigmas around counseling for men, common presenting concerns, and strategies to build a strong alliance with your male clients.

You can email George at or view his profile at

Sep 23, 2016

A conversation with Dr. Thomas Hofmann - professor of Clinical Mental Health Counseling at Hodges University in Fort Myers and Naples, Florida - about navigating strength-based approaches to counseling in an environment dominated by symptoms and diagnosis.

You can email Tom at or call his office at (239) 938-7798

Tom's faculty page at Hodges:

For information about Hodges University's online program launching in Winter 2017, follow the link below:

An except from the article I mention by Courtney Armstrong in Psychotherapy Networker can be found here (you need to subscribe to get the full article):

APA Citation for this episode:

Shook, M. (Producer). (2016, September). Strength-Based Counseling in a Symptom-Based World: A Conversation with Thomas Hofmann [Audio Podcast]. The Thoughtful Counselor. Retrieved from



Sep 15, 2016

A Conversation with Dr. Cyrus Williams, associate professor at Regent University, on how the “Quarter-Life Crisis” affects millennials and how counselors can best understand and address their needs. Dr. William's refers to the following resources in the conversation:

The Quarter-Life Crisis

Counseling Today Article

You Can contact Dr. Williams at

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Sep 9, 2016


A conversation with Courtney Armstrong – author of Transforming Trauma Grief and The Therapeutic “Aha:” 10 Strategies to Help Your Client Get Unstuck – on the art and science of using music in counseling.

Visit Courtney’s website at

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